Trimco 1191 Offset Door Pull

It comes down to the hole spacing already in your door. Measure center of hole to center of hole: the 1191 is built on 8, 9, 10, 12 and 18 inch centers, so if your old pull sits on one of those the new grip lands on the same prep. The 9 inch model (1191-3B) exists for openings that aren't on an even spacing, and 8 inch is offered in both 3/4 inch bar (1191-1) and 1 inch bar (1191-3A) so you can keep the spacing and change the grip size. If your existing centers fall outside 8 to 18 inches, the 1191 won't reuse the prep.

Projection is 4-1/8 inches. That's the number to check against anything close to the door: a return wall, an adjacent side lite mullion, a door that swings back against a corridor wall, or a second leaf in a pair. Because the grip is offset hung rather than sitting flat on the face, that projection is what buys you knuckle room behind the bar for a gloved hand. If you have less than about four and a quarter inches of clear space beside or behind the pull, you need a lower-projection or flush-style pull instead.

Nine models cover 8 to 18 inches center to center. Entrance scale is the long end: 1191-5 (18 inch CTC, 1 inch bar) or 1191-5J (18 inch CTC, 1-1/4 inch bar), with 1191-4 (12 inch, 1 inch) and 1191-4J (12 inch, 1-1/4 inch) as the mid-size step. For interior, secondary and restroom doors the short grips are 1191-1 (8 inch, 3/4 inch bar), 1191-3A (8 inch, 1 inch bar), 1191-3B (9 inch, 1 inch bar), 1191-2 (10 inch, 3/4 inch bar) and 1191-3 (10 inch, 1 inch bar). Bar diameter and length are separate choices, so an 8 inch grip in a 1 inch bar is a real combination.

The Trimco 1191-3 is a 1 inch diameter offset grip at 10 inch center to center, and the 1191 family covers 8 inch to 18 inch center to center in 3/4 inch to 1-1/4 inch round material. The nearest match on form in another brand is the Ives 8169, a C style offset solid door pull at 1 inch diameter with heavy duty mounting. Two ABH offset pulls are also in the same family of shapes: the AB3310 offset flat end door pull handle, a commercial grade surface mount unit, and the AB3330 offset round end pull, which is offered with custom length options. The AB3310 finishes with flat ends, so if the existing pulls on the opening have rounded ends the AB3330 or the 8169 will read closer.

Both carry ADA compliance. The Trimco 1191 offset grip is ADA compliant and rated heavy duty, and is offered from 8 inch to 18 inch center to center in 3/4 inch to 1-1/4 inch round stock. The Ives 8145EZHD is an ADA compliant EZ series pull with heavy duty mounting hardware, and its offset is a 45 degree geometry rather than the rounded offset grip shape of the 1191. The decision usually comes down to which shape matches the rest of the openings in the building and which center to center dimension lands on the existing bolt holes.

The Trimco 1191 grips run from 8 inch to 18 inch center to center, with the 1191-5 and 1191-5J at the 18 inch end in 1 inch and 1-1/4 inch round. For a longer span, the ABH AB3330 is an offset round end pull offered with custom length options, so the length is specified rather than picked from a fixed table. Deltana also builds two fixed 24 inch offset pulls: the SSPORBB24 round offset and the SSPOBB24 modern offset, both furnished back to back. Longer pulls change the mounting hole layout on the stile, so confirm the new hole centers against the door before ordering.

Bar diameter is tied to length on the 1191, so pick the pairing you can actually get. 3/4 inch round is offered at 8 inch CTC (1191-1) and 10 inch CTC (1191-2), and it's the lighter-looking grip for interior and back-of-house doors. 1 inch round covers the widest span: 8 (1191-3A), 9 (1191-3B), 10 (1191-3), 12 (1191-4) and 18 inch (1191-5). 1-1/4 inch round is only on the two long models, 1191-4J at 12 inch and 1191-5J at 18 inch, and that's the grip to spec where a gloved hand pulls a heavy entrance door and you want the bar to read at scale.

630 satin stainless steel is one of the eleven finishes the 1191 is made in, so it will match a building standardized on 630. The full run is 605 bright brass, 606 satin brass, 613 oil rubbed bronze, 613E dark oxidized satin bronze, 622 matte black, 625 bright chrome, 626 satin chrome, 628 satin aluminum, 629 bright stainless steel, 630 satin stainless steel, and 710CU Healthy Hardware Steralloy Silver. Watch 613 against 613E if you're matching existing bronze, they are two different bronze finishes and do not read the same on the door.

Substrate is stainless steel, bronze or brass, and the finish you order determines which base metal you get. 605 bright brass and 606 satin brass are brass; 613 oil rubbed bronze and 613E dark oxidized satin bronze are bronze; 629 bright stainless and 630 satin stainless are stainless steel. All of them are heavy duty commercial grade, which is what matters on a door that gets pulled a few hundred times a day in a school or retail entry.

Yes. The 1191 is offered in 710CU Healthy Hardware Steralloy Silver, Trimco's Healthy Hardware finish, alongside the standard architectural finishes. It's a heavy duty commercial grip, so it holds up to healthcare corridor traffic, and the offset ADA-compliant shape means a staff member with full hands or gloves can open the door without gripping and twisting.

An offset pull like the Trimco 1191 stands the grip off the door on angled legs, giving hand room behind the bar and a 4-1/8 inch projection off the face. A straight pull runs the bar parallel to the door on short standoffs, projects less, and is the one to use where the door swings tight to a wall or sits next to a narrow side lite. Straight options ZenSupply carries include the ABH AB3300 straight flat end pull at 1.00 inch diameter, the Ives 8102HD in 3/4 inch round bar with 1-1/2 inch clearance, and the Ives 8103HD in 1 inch round with through-bolt mounting.

The Trimco 1191 tops out at 18 inches center to center, on the 1191-5 in 1 inch bar and the 1191-5J in 1-1/4 inch bar. Above that, the Deltana SSPOBB24 is a 24 inch back-to-back modern offset pull and the Deltana SSPORBB24 is a 24 inch back-to-back round offset pull, both sold as back-to-back sets for a glass or full-lite door where you want matching grips on each face. The ABH AB3330 offset round end pull is offered with custom length options if 24 inches isn't the length you need either.

The 1191 is a heavy duty commercial grip, sized by center-to-center spacing and bar diameter, and it's what you want on a school, retail or multifamily common-area door. For a lighter residential door where you want a matched grip on both faces, the Deltana OHP620 off-set handle pull is sold as a back-to-back set and lists a door thickness range of 1-1/8 to 1-3/8 inches, which covers standard residential interior and many entry doors.

The Trimco 1191 offset grip is offered in 3/4 inch, 1 inch and 1-1/4 inch round stock. For a straight bar in the same diameters, the Ives 8102HD is a heavy duty straight door pull using 3/4 inch round bar with 1-1/2 inch clearance, and the Ives 8103HD is a heavy duty straight pull in 1 inch round with through bolt mounting. The ABH AB3300 is a straight flat end pull handle at 1.00 inch diameter. Straight pulls sit parallel to the door face for their full length, while the 1191 is an offset grip, so the two do not share a bolt pattern even at the same nominal diameter.

Check the bar diameter before ordering. The ABH AB7200 is a solid stainless steel flat end pull handle at 7/8 inch diameter with through bolt mounting. The Trimco 1191 grips are made in 3/4 inch, 1 inch and 1-1/4 inch round, so a 7/8 inch bar falls between two of the 1191 sizes and the two will not read as the same hardware when hung on adjacent doors. The AB7200 also finishes with flat ends against the offset grip shape of the 1191. Where the goal is a visual match rather than a functional one, stay inside the 1191 diameters or move to a peer stated at the same diameter, such as the 1.00 inch ABH AB3300 or the 1 inch Ives 8169.

Three peers are sold as back to back sets rather than single grips. The Deltana OHP620 is an off set handle pull furnished as a back to back set for doors 1-1/8 inch to 1-3/8 inch thick. The Deltana SSPOBB24 is a 24 inch back to back modern offset pull and the SSPORBB24 is the 24 inch back to back round offset version. The Trimco 1191 is a heavy duty commercial offset grip offered from 8 inch to 18 inch center to center, so for a shorter grip on a heavier commercial door it stays the closer fit, while the OHP620 is the one dimensioned for the thinner 1-1/8 inch to 1-3/8 inch door.

No, they do different jobs. The Cal-Royal PUL-175 is a night latch cylinder pull in stainless steel at 3-1/2 inch height, sized to pull a door open by way of the cylinder rather than to serve as the door grip a hand wraps. The Trimco 1191 is an offset door grip, ADA compliant and heavy duty, running 8 inch to 18 inch center to center in 3/4 inch to 1-1/4 inch round. If the opening needs a full hand grip, the substitutes to look at are the Ives 8169 offset solid pull at 1 inch diameter or the ABH AB3310 offset flat end pull, not a cylinder pull.

The Trimco 1191 offset grip carries a 4-1/8 inch product projection, the dimension measured from the door face out to the grip. A straight peer such as the Ives 8102HD, a heavy duty straight pull in 3/4 inch round bar, is stated at 1-1/2 inch clearance between the bar and the door. That difference matters on openings pulled with a gloved hand or where a cart handle catches the pull, and it also sets how far the pull intrudes into a corridor or a stair landing when the door swings.

Both are heavy duty offset pulls available in 1 inch round, so they cover the same opening. The Ives 8169 is a C style offset solid door pull at 1 inch diameter with heavy duty mounting. The Trimco 1191 is offered in a 710CU Healthy Hardware Steralloy Silver finish alongside the standard architectural finishes such as 626 satin chrome and 630 satin stainless steel, which is the difference that usually decides the specification on a patient care or food service corridor.

No, and swapping one for the other gets you the wrong part. The Cal-Royal PUL-175 is a night latch cylinder pull, 3-1/2 inches high, stainless steel, and it mounts around a rim cylinder so the door can be pulled shut on an exit device opening. It is not a hand grip for general door operation. The Trimco 1191 is a commercial pull grip on 8 to 18 inch centers in 3/4 to 1-1/4 inch round bar, mounted on the door face for people to open the door by.

The Trimco 1191 grips are made in stainless steel, bronze or brass, with 629 bright stainless steel and 630 satin stainless steel among the finishes, so the stainless requirement is met by the finish selected at the time of order. The ABH AB7200 is stated as a solid stainless steel flat end pull handle at 7/8 inch diameter, and the Cal-Royal PUL-175 cylinder pull is stainless steel construction. Emtek's Art Nouveau 8 inch pull is lost wax cast bronze, so it will not satisfy a stainless only spec.

They are both 12 inch class pulls but they are not the same part. The Trimco 1191-4 is a 12 inch center to center offset grip in 1 inch round, heavy duty and ADA compliant. The Deltana SSP1210 is a 12 inch contemporary pull supplied for a single side of the door. Before swapping one for the other, confirm the mounting hole centers, since a dimension quoted as an overall pull length and one quoted as center to center do not describe the same hole spacing.